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Clinton and Kaine violate OPSEC giving dates and location for Marine deployment


Hillary Clinton’s running mate, Tim Kaine, has a son in the Marines. And he’s getting ready to deploy — today apparently.

Clinton spoke at a VFW Convention saying, “My running mate in this election is a wonderful man from Virginia named Tim Kaine. He’s a US Senator, he was governor of Virginia, mayor of Richmond, Virginia… His son is a Marine. His son is actually deploying today, to help defend our NATO allies in Europe.” See 7:20 in YouTube below for the sequence.

So now the enemies of America have the date and location of these troops, putting a target on them overseas.

A few days earlier, one of Kaine’s aides told reporters Saturday that Lt Kaine was deploying to Europe on Monday, according to CNN.  Kaine followed up saying his son was helping “to uphold America’s commitment to our NATO ally,” according to the news source.

It seems Kaine needs to attend OPSEC classes as well and national news organizations have posted the information since he relayed it.

Virginia Senator Tim Kaine’s son, First Lt Nathaniel Kaine, is an infantry officer stationed at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.


Here’s a link to OPSEC guidelines for your reference. And just so you know, I’m not voting for Clinton or Trump. I’m still waiting for Mattis as a 3rd party candidate.

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    • Agreed, Andy Birmingham. You’re absolutely correct. Total fear mongering.I do find it interesting that when the group one agrees with does this type of thing, it’s ok but when the group one disagrees with does it, it’s a violation of every law on the books & going to get everyone killed. Insanity. Many political figures announced their sons, daughters, grandchildren, etc are being deployed. Like you said…..so the Lt. is being deployed……total fear mongering by those making it an issue. BTW – Andy, welcome home, my brother.

    • So, you are defending these traitors?
      You, as a vet should be very angry about
      troop deployment info being divulged to the
      world! Or maybe you are really not who you
      say you are…?

    • Andy Birmingham…Right On! The author of this article gave out more specific information that was in the actual article. Shame on her. Just a partisan attack. Nothing more.

    • I’m a tad late but since this is not a US/DOD/SecNav/USMC endorsed site why do you identify it as being USMC Life? Why not Key Wive’s Life or Military Spouses Life, or Writer Using USMC to Help Sell Books Life? Or are you just riding the coattails of our proud Corps to promote your political beliefs? Reason I ask is I don’t think the services openly endorse candidates and am not trying to ignite any legal “barracks lawyers” out there that might quote orders and so forth. Just saying that in my 20 yrs of Enlisted and Commissioned service the endorsement of almost anything is both unlawful and worse totally unsat. By promoting your political views under the guise of USMC Life you are doing disservice to same.Too many have given their life for the USMC to allow someone to hijack it to promote their agenda. I find it very offensive (that’s a PC way of saying it pisses me the hell off) when folks adorn themselves with everything imaginable to remind us they might have been somehow affiliated with the Marines while they take a political stance. In other words endorse all you want to but don’t USE the USMC name to add credibility or solicit votes. If you are a civilian then why do you resort to using the USMC name to promote only one side of any argument? It sets a bad example for junior Marines by showing them it is ok to use USMC for their own personal or political gain. It also degrades the image of the USMC by giving a false impression of any one-sided endorsement

      • Absolutely agree with you. There should be rules that prohibit the use of USMC to insinuate they are connected with official news posts of the Corps. I preach this all the time to our families of Marines. This is nothing more than a trash magazine.

    • Yeah, never mind that Hilly gave our nuclear response time to the ENTIRE World, or that she had an unsecured server….NOT FEAR MONGERING.


  1. Hillary Clinton has broken these laws and they have proven this, why is she not being charged and convicted!

    Concealment, Removal, or Mutilation of Records
    (18 U.S.C. § 2071)
    (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
    (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
    Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

    (18 U.S. Code § 1924)

    (a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

    (b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

    (c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

    And so much more!!! Like Obama using Air Force One to campaign with her which is paid for by our tax dollars! That is a miss use of our tax dollars in a big way!
    And in 1872, Victora Woodhull was the first female candidate for President of the United States it was not Hillary like she says!
    And now she calling cops racists and wants a national police force who in the hell is stupid enough to vote for this crap!
    Hillary for president are you brain dead!!!

    • Terry Corle: The answer is in the first two words of the statute: Whoever WILLFULLY. The FBI couldn’t prove she WILLFULLY did it. Sorry to spoil the party.

      • Yes, she willfully deleted over 30,000 emails in an attempt to cover up information. She lied when questioned under oath and she lied to the American people that she wants to respect her. She knew all long what she was doing and did not want to get caught, there is no time for dreams. Reality and common sense needs to take presidence over living in Lala Land. Only the corrupt, criminals and the disrespectful vote for her. Hillary’s Lies Matter! Lock Her Up! #ClintonCash

    • First to know: WHO IS “THEY?”

      I read this entire post. I have found NO indication that the destination of this soldier was named. EUROPE is big place and,no doubt, has troop landings and departures quite often.

      For those of you who apparently do not read, or watch anything other than FOX, Hillary has been investigated over and over (all promoted by Republicans) and has been CLEARED of any “criminal activity.” AND remember, 7 MILLION emails were erased by George Bush – and he was not charged with anything criminal. Colin Powell and Condy Rice also used private email accounts, no charges! so apparenty it was acceptable for Republicans


    • Totally agree with TERRY CORLE and this is a bad issue with the dumb shits in DC and the civilians who don’t put their own lives on the line. Why not just tell everything about all things classified or ops. Like setting our own people[troops and military] up to be taken out. [GOD don’t tell CNN,MSNBC,ABC, or other HILLARY SUPPORT NEWS GROUPS] ALL THE ENEMIES OF THE USA WOULD KNOW what our country is up to. Those who support HILLARY are idiots and have no clue about being prepared.

  2. Even though I am voting for Trump this publication has no right to talk about OPSEC. This publication and several other Military publications along with the Marine Corps itself has violated OPSEC over a dozen times in the last two years. One publication had it down to the weekends for multiple returns of Marines stationed on the east coast. One publication even said which ports they would stop to visit. Police your own yard before talking crap about someome else.

  3. Mattis will never happen, please don’t waste your vote and go on and vote for Trump not the traitor Killery. He will fix us and we won’t have 4 more years of Obummer.

    • If she isn’t smart enough to know that a vote for anyone but Trump (at this point in the game) IS a vote FOR Hilary….then I will not waste my time reading anything else she writes.

    • And not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump. So If I don’t vote for either, I have effectively voted for both and cancelled my votes out. Another words, If I vote for neither, I haven’t helped either one. It is called logic, not politics. I help the one I vote for, no one else.

  4. Saying that someone is deploying today with the enormous number of potential locations we are deploying from and to is NOT an OPSEC violation. What an inane assertion.

  5. What a crock of shit! Seriously, lady, get a life. I remember Sarah Palin announcing the same thing about her son. In fact, when he was deployed, she announced where he was stationed in Iraq. Where was your whining then. You are a shameful slug.

  6. These idiots, Do they understand OPSEC?
    OPERATIONAL SECURITY. By giving time and dates can get every Marine killed, because it allows the enemy to set up an ambush.
    How is Kaine going to feel when Marines in dress blues arrive to tell him his son has been transferred to God’s platoon.

    • I’m fairly confident that the entire continent of Europe wasn’t turned into a giant thousand square mile kill zone just waiting to ambush within a day. Europe is incredibly big, and they were deploying that day. This is fear mongering.

  7. Did she just say shouldn’t leave a vacuum?! Lmao . Like the one her and the Obama administration left in Iraq which helped form Isis….


    • I’m for Trump, I trust he will make good on all that he can. More importantly we need to unify and get behind our party nomination. Bernie has his eye on 2020. He will overwhelmingly stomp Hillary. Cruz should have done what Bernie did. Cruz is finished. If we don’t unite even if Trump wins Bernie will be next in line.

  9. And if you do vote for Mattis, who I would also support if he were a major party candidate, you will be voting for hillary. Any vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary. Third party candidates have NEVER been elected to the White House. Votes for them only split votes away from a conservative candidate.

    • Exactly. The last time I voted for a 3rd party candidate, H. Ross Perot, we got stuck with the Clintons. It’s not going to happen this time. I will vote for Trump come November, because not voting is the same as voting for a third part candidate with no chance of winning. That’s how Obama got re-elected. It will put Hellary in the White House where she will be untouchable.

  10. WELL, SURPRISE! SURPRISE! Hillary Clinton broadcasting classified information, AGAIN! But that’s ok, Sen. Kaine. She didn’t INTEND on getting your son killed. She was just extremely careless. So that makes it ok.

  11. You people seriously don’t understand opsec … No MATTER the deployment you DO NOT release information of when they are leaving or where they are going PERIOD!! Some of you need to brush up on opsec . I kept where my husband was under lock and key and NEVER EVER said when he was leaving or returning or even never did count downs on Facebook . We even had codes he would send in emails even if it was a peace time deployment on his return dates if he couldn’t get me on the phone . What Hillary did was stupid on her part and shouldn’t have e ever said it .

    • I served 24 years on active duty. 9 of those years I served in various capacities as an OPSEC officer as a collateral duty.
      A) Not a national security deployment so DoD policy doesn’t apply
      B) General troop movements to include USMC deployments are not OPSEC violations and routinely released in media and print
      C) You should probably not use “my husband was in for 14…blah blah” and Google searches as your basis of expertise.

    • Kim…so are you telling us your husband DID indeed tell you his return date albeit through “secret” codes? What is your classification level and “need to know”? Were it actually a security breach to say on the date of the occasion that a unit is deploying or returning “today” I would say you and your husband should be in jail!

  12. With all of the politics both sides are displaying it’s the first time in my 61 years I have seen the Democratic Party at such a low point. Normally it’s after the election that their sheep learn of their deceptive practices. I applaud the attempt of this articles to sway votes for Trump. While I am a Trump supporter I am smart enough to research all such articles so as to get the whole story. For those people who sit out or vote third party, I have news for you, Bernie has his I on the prize unlike Cruz. Bernie will defeat Hillary next go around. Our only chance is a Trump victory and four years to unify, stick behind and fully support our next choice. Please come down of your high horse like Bernie and get behind our candidate.

  13. Sorry, not a opsec violation, if it was, spouses wouldn’t even know. The Marine Corps routinely releases to the press deployment information. Ignorance is bliss I guess. I love military depends trying to be authoritative on opsec. You don’t know, okay? Just because your husband tried to make himself more “special forces” by creating “codes” with you and his bs obviously worked.

  14. Oh bullshit. Local media is always given deployment info. Even then they wouldn’t have to…the families inadvertently give the information away. Besides, saying he isdeploying for duty at a NATO base or command isn’t really very specific, is it?

    Stop trying to pull scandals and crises out of your ass. It does nothing to them and just leaves you with a shit smelling mess.

  15. Violation or no violation…you just added fuel to the fire and compromised your own assertion in your last line by telling all where he is stationed…Dumbass! Plus, you don’t even have the balls to give a byline..

  16. Troop is short for trooper a cavalry man.
    Marines are Marines not troops.
    One of these days you sycophant want-a-be reporters will figure this out.

  17. Ma’am, kindly read the OPSEC regs, particularly Sec. 2.1. the regs apply to the DOD. It does not cover Clinton or Kaine. You cannot violate regulations to which you are not subject.
    Please try to gain an understanding of DOD regulations, and to whom they apply, before you comment on them.
    Thank you.

  18. You cats all know there’s a point in time at which the battalion will allow its men to divulge basic information regarding a deployment. I’m not Hillary supporter at all, but goddamn; at least have the self respect to form an actual argument instead of grasping at straws and splitting hairs.

    Bush had this problem. He was a solid cat, but he just didn’t know how to put the words together.

  19. Deployments are a normal walk of life for our members of the armed services. Everyone in the world knows that we support NATO in Europe, have forces in Qatar etc. Troops are regularly deployed to replace those returning to their regular assignment. Now if one said the time and place and method of travel THAT would be something but the fact that he is going to Europe on Monday is NOTHING, Hell if they want they can get the airline manifests showing who is going where when easy enough, and most of our troop movement is by commercial aircraft. I am a father of a USAF Captain currently serving in Qatar

  20. Video taken down….. But wouldn’t reposting what you considered to be a violation
    of OPSEC actually be considered a violation of the same ?
    Date and location of deployment. I’m pretty sure everyone knows there are daily
    deployments to Europe. Which judging by the article. Is pretty much all that was said.
    As far as Trump goes… Those that support him are NUTS if they feel he would be any
    better when it comes to supporting the troops or keeping them safe.

  21. I can’t stand Hillary the lying, cheating, thieving noaccount person that she is but this is nonsense.
    This is just a normal deployment. Tell me that mom and dad and girlfriend and buddies and schoolmates don’t know he is deploying. This is not an operation. It is a permanent change of address. That is all it is.

    I am just surprised to hear that a democrat is both in a combat MOS.
    Normally they are clerks, finance, supply, etc….Republicans generally do the fighting.

    • No, Republicans just do the bitching. And if they got an education, maybe more would also be clerks, finance, supply…..Now say something else stupid.

    • Hitlerly. Killary Obummer. Do you idiots every have an original or clever thought? Or do you just keep repeating what Hannity and Ailes and all those idiots tell you to think and say? No wonder Trump says, “I love the poorly educated!”

  22. No. Just no.

    Did any of you read the article? Or receive any OPSEC training whatsoever?

    “Europe” is not an actionable piece of information. Europe is a big place. This kind of stuff is published in unit & base newsletters. This information wouldn’t even qualify as sensitive under normal circumstances.

  23. Just plain silly!

    Saying that someone is deploying to one of the seven contients on earth, where we already have tens of thousands of US Troops, is hardly violating OPSEC.

    She didn’t name a unit, a time, a location, a length of deployment, or what the deployment was for. That isn’t violating OPSEC.

    The local media had far more information published about the deployment and discussed potential OPSEC info over the weekend and last week.

  24. Please do not waste a precious vote on a third party…that is just voting for Hillary! You might as well vote for Donald Duck…Mattis is not going to win. Make your vote count!

  25. Donald Trump is getting the majority of his financing from Russian oligarchs, has repeatedly said how much he admires Putin, has indicated he would not honor our NATO commitments if Russia attacked its neighbors, and refuses to release his tax returns. At the same time I, a poor farm kid from Wisconsin was leading for Vietnam, Trump was getting deferments and a spurious 4-F classification. Yet you choose to publish a manufactured story about “revealing” troop deployments which probably will be on the nightly TV news the same day. You apparently are trying to appeal to under-educated angry white men who have spewed toxic hate at Obama for 7 years and now will focus on Hillary Clinton. What a sad pitiful lot you are. As a Marine Veteran I am proud of the Corps, but I am disgusted by your trashy propaganda.

  26. Looks like every mom and dad in the country who has had a child leave for boot needs to be arrested then. FFS people. This article is a glorified blog.

  27. Let me get this straight: a Dad (or his colleague, Hillary) mentions that his kid is “going to Europe with the Marines”. Our entire military strategy is ruined!

    Grasp at straws much?

  28. this woman needs to be imprisioned for treason. more and more of our military members lives become in more danger every second this worthless woman is alive.

  29. A lot of you folks need to go back and relook your OPSEC DATA. If you give personnel names, unit names and dates of deployment into a combat zone it is an OPSEC VIOLATION. When you combine all of the data together it becomes a violation.

    • NATO is not a combat zone. Maybe you should recheck your facts. When the data is published and common knowledge it is nothing at all to report it.

  30. If it was to be kept a “secret” no one would know. Just those on a “Need to Know” list — not even military members, family members, friends, even our “frenemies” would know. Not on list — no info. Get a grip people, soon we won’t be able to celebrate or mourn any part of our lives.

  31. Europe is a huge area to deploy…. NATO (although a huge cluster fark) is a big organization with a broad mission. I think this story sits on the lame side.

  32. Thing is anyone that been in the military or have family in the military know that the LOCAL NEWS stations, NATIONAL news stations, newspapers, and MILITARY, etc plan HUGE events for deployment dates and return dates. So tell me again how this is a a breach in security to say that someone is leaving or is on deployment? My son left Virginia Beach in June – HUGE send off on the Navy Base port with TV, newspapers, lots of reporters and cameras there that the Navy approved to be there. And his ship has their own PUBLIC page to keep everyone up to speed as to their day to day events. Of course they don’t always give specific locations or tactic plans, but it’s not hard to find out where about they may be on any given day. Again IF YOU ARE MILITARY OR MILITARY FAMILY YOU KNOW HOW IT REALLY WORKS!!!! It’s not all dots and dashes in secret code!

  33. If they did an investigation in this, all that would come out of it is that Hilary didn’t know that she shouldn’t reveal his deployment.

  34. I guess we should shut down Navy Times and Marine Corps Times as they have deployed forces info published in each edition…

  35. For the record I do not like Hillary Clinton personally or professionally. She is the poster child for free government retroactive abortions. That said this isn’t an OPSEC issue. Consider all the dependent’s briefings, the number of rental contracts/leases that need to be broken on the economy, equipment lay-outs, personnel records checks, dental and medical checks, Marines taken from battalion (Bn) “X” who isn’t deploying to fill in the blanks of Bn “Y”, qualification with all weapons [individual & crew served and vehicle mounted] the list goes on.
    This is the least egregious OPSEC violation in the history of finding out what the enemy is doing. Let’s nail her ever-expanding hide to the barn door over the real OPSEC violations, you know, our enemy’s reading her e-mail before she does..

  36. Wow. Got anything LESS important to talk about?
    I’m pretty sure there is some fly shit in my pepper shaker too. Like this, it doesn’t matter, no one can do anything with it and makes no difference.

  37. I’m sure this was not a Vietnam vet or a vet of any other era as anyone in the military would know that Opsec is not what it was in previous conflicts. The enemy did not live among us nor was there the ability to locate people through various means on the internet. If my child were in military service I would be very happy if he was deploying with Cains’s son if some egotistical politician would keep their fucking mouth about where or when he was going anywhere. This one piece of information may be harmless but coupled with other data could prove harmful.

  38. Actually, if you read the OPSEC guidelines, they do not apply to Clinton or Kaine, only to Kaine’s son:
    This Directive:
    2.1. Applies to the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Military Departments, the
    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Combatant Commands, the Office of the Inspector
    General of the Department of Defense, the Defense Agencies, the DoD Field Activities, and all
    other organizational entities in the Department of Defense (hereafter referred to collectively as
    the “DoD Components”).
    So, *IF* “Europe” is a specific enough location to “[enable adversaries to] plan, prepare, and conduct a military or other operation against the United States” (and I’d argue that it is not: There are US military bases in well-known locations all over Europe. No mention is even made of which European country/NATO ally, let alone a specific base or installation), then it would be Kaine’s son who violated OPSEC, by disclosing critical details of his deployment to non-DoD personnel, to whom OPSEC does not apply, thereby compromising his own deployment.

    If Clinton mentioning that Kaine’s son is deploying to Europe is a violation of OPSEC, then so is the mention any parent ever made of their child being deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. And those *are* more specific locations than “Europe”, thereby giving our enemies more useful information about where we are sending troops.

    In a nutshell, considering “europe” to be a mission-critical detail is akin to classifying the location of the entire United States. Pointless, and impossible anyway. Just like our enemies already know where the US is located on the globe, they also already know that we have troops in Europe. The fact that one more kid is being deployed there tomorrow does NOT give them any strategic advantages that they don’t have without that information.

  39. Obama’s been doing this for the past almost eight years. Hillary’s just carrying on Obama’s policies.

  40. So I apologize if this has already been said but I think you are misconstruing the quotes. They seem to be indicating that the deployment is occurring “today” in defense of NATO allies which reside in Europe, not that the troops are necessarily being deployed to Europe. I can understand the confusion.

  41. Not sure I see the violation here; if there is one the thousands of parents on fb are equally guilty. If tge info is a risk why has the government allowed that ino to be shared over and over again; even leaving the clip on youtube? What I want to know is how a rapist, wife beaters and mentally unstable person can become a Presidential candidate and how did we become so stupid as a nation that these two are America’s best?

  42. You do realise that Europe is an Ally and we are friendly with them and also that Europe is several countries combined? So that being said how can an enemy figure out from Kaine saying his son is deploying to Europe where he is going so they can attack? This sounds like a whole lot of nothing for somebody to feed the fear mongers and to have something to write about.

  43. Kristine, informative article …. I was enjoying the read until the part that said “And just so you know, I’m not voting for Clinton or Trump. I’m still waiting for Mattis as a 3rd party candidate.” The popular vote has some influence in an election, but voting in America is still a two party system. Voting for a 3rd party candidate is a waste of a vote …. and in this election means a vote for hillary. The final deciders of an election are the electoral college … which are divided into two parties …. there are no 3rd party electoral college votes …. so the only options, if barack even allows an election are, Trump or hillary.

  44. And now the evil witch is trying to say her daughter erased the emails during a bout of post part depression. Should Chelsie even had access to those e mails in the first place?

  45. Step two of OPSEC procedures (analyze critical nsture if operstion) excludes the application of these specific security measures. Troop deployment to existing and secure bases in allied controlled nations is not a high risk operation.

    Good try haters but if you can’t make your point with the truth try silence.

  46. So NOT true. Very little information was given about Kaine’s son and that of a very general nature (saying someone is a Marine and is deploying to Europe is hardly a violation of OPSEC) — and the context was hardly of a high risk nature. Most of the detailed information about Kaine’s son’s deployment came courtesy of the Marine Times (http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/07/26/vp-picks-trump-clinton-both-have-sons-marine-corps/87545362/ ), so if you want to accuse anyone of violating OPSEC, you need to look there. This article is simply yet another entry in the campaign of disinformation provided to create false perceptions of Clinton.

  47. I’m not military nor know OPSEC, but it seems to me that if someone breaks OPSEC by talking about deployment dates and such, would it not present the same security risk to then tell where the same soldier named in the article is stationed? I would think that it would be more difficult to track someone down in Europe than it would be to figure out where the live at or near a base they are stationed at.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not in any way supportive of Hillary.

    This election really isn’t about either candidate at this time. It’s about the appointment of at least 1 seat in the Supreme Court. Yes, the candidate may influence the direction of the US for possibly the next 8 years if they can pull 2 terms, but naming someone to fill up the Supreme Court is by far a greater and longer lasting influence.


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